tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post6970368137730396018..comments2023-10-21T09:08:31.759-07:00Comments on The Storytellers: Why Are Most Artists Liberal?Guy Hassonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04528759718173536747noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-37439989451570573292021-05-14T08:09:33.187-07:002021-05-14T08:09:33.187-07:00Exactly what I was thinking. Exactly what I was thinking. A Rodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480830403582317982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-44067966546313873442018-12-02T21:03:34.615-08:002018-12-02T21:03:34.615-08:00This is an interesting article, and I have some th...This is an interesting article, and I have some things to say about it. But I want the author to respond first, as this thread might be essentially dead. Most comments were posted years ago. We are now in the heart of the Trump era, and liberal and conservative perspectives are more divided than ever.Sweet Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647499714168470952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-16532311455772945902016-12-16T21:47:13.650-08:002016-12-16T21:47:13.650-08:00How does political correctness fit into this discu...How does political correctness fit into this discussion? Comedians like Seinfeld have said they no longer perform on college campuses because today's students are too easily offended. Larry King has said political correctness is killing free speech. If this type of liberalism proliferates, how will liberal storytellers fare?M. Grovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08834668708825560853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-41334032896544842702016-07-09T22:29:48.772-07:002016-07-09T22:29:48.772-07:00The reason why Cormac Mccarthy is the best living ...The reason why Cormac Mccarthy is the best living author is he does not get sucked into the liberal nonsense. Human beings are not always empathetic. He does not write "feelings" only action. You don't get any thoughts. Little internal monologue outside of "must find food." And yet he shines the light in the dark. Because duh...you don't shine the light in the light. His realism is so gruesome and accurate of the true nature of mankind to destroy itself, that salvation defines it's own beauty through it's antithesis.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04854790027998135136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-80234976593210191022013-01-09T07:39:31.976-08:002013-01-09T07:39:31.976-08:00Two quick points:
1, Conservative artists don...Two quick points: <br /><br />1, Conservative artists don't rise to prominence because the gatekeepers themselves are liberal. They do not "get" stories told from a conservative perspective, so those stories don't get published, produced, etc. It's that simple.<br /><br />And 2, it's incredibly offensive that you conflate Conservatism with racism, sexism homophobia, etc. Do you even know what Conservatism is? It's the impulse to conserve what is GOOD about society. No one thinks racism, etc. are good things, and you sound like a bigot when you blithely describe Conservatives in those terms.Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04677133510364205493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-49840964963245933122011-09-16T02:32:23.513-07:002011-09-16T02:32:23.513-07:00I am very happy to read this article..thanks for g...I am very happy to read this article..thanks for giving us this useful information.<br /><a href="http://www.lesbianbdsmsex.com/page/7/" rel="nofollow">extreme bondage video</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-11684538045384472942010-12-01T02:54:26.919-08:002010-12-01T02:54:26.919-08:00Your blog is really helps for my search and i real...Your blog is really helps for my search and i really like it.. Thanks a lot..:)<br /><a href="http://dissertations-writing.co.uk/term_papers.htm" rel="nofollow">Term Papers Writing</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-49623540817980089552010-06-17T22:12:27.178-07:002010-06-17T22:12:27.178-07:00Liberalism is the transformation of mankind into c...Liberalism is the transformation of mankind into cattle. ~ Friedrich NietzscheAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-6760308492029160012010-05-30T12:23:10.126-07:002010-05-30T12:23:10.126-07:00Good question. I think many artist ar so liberal.Good question. I think many artist ar so liberal.cheapest viagra ukhttp://www.ukviagra.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-76285169459252299962010-05-09T22:14:54.989-07:002010-05-09T22:14:54.989-07:00I have been visiting various blogs for my term pap...I have been visiting various blogs for my term papers writing research. I have found your blog to be quite useful. Keep updating your blog with valuable information... RegardsTerm Papershttp://www.usatermpapers.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-24586921469226135432010-03-22T17:33:38.234-07:002010-03-22T17:33:38.234-07:00I see this very differently:
Artists (at least th...I see this very differently:<br /><br />Artists (at least the literary ones) tend to be anti-injustice, they want to point to or correct wrongs, show were society has gone awry, and similar. This naturally causes them to focus on where wrongs are present---and because wrongs done by the weaker against the stronger tend to disappear rather quickly, we are left with criticism of the rich and powerful, the establishment, powerful corporations, the state, whatnot. This, in turn, is superficially similar to the modern US social-liberalism, and reasonable compatible with many instances of traditional liberalism. Depending on the country and the circumstances, it may also legitimately lead to a stance close to e.g. socialism or moral conservatism.<br /><br />Even so, there is great individual variation, and the statement is at best an over-generalization (even when adjusted for the above).<br /><br />Obviously, a number of other factors play in, e.g. the (supposedly) greater emotionality of artists, the possibility that artists with a more populistic take have been more popular because of this, that a certain set of opinions have been necessary to get the approval of the artistic community, and similar. Other variations are discussed in comments by others.Michaelhttp://www.aswedeingermany.denoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-60900458081568043862010-02-05T14:13:50.118-08:002010-02-05T14:13:50.118-08:00Only a liberal would post such drivel. Creativity,...Only a liberal would post such drivel. Creativity, sensitivity and empathy are not the domain of either side. All humans are imbued with them. In your poor argument you progressively dehumanize the 'other' side. You show an utter lack of and unwillingness to understand 'them' doing exactly what you say non-liberals do. Guy, you are a third rate intellect and poor artist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-76945881140057343592009-11-15T22:58:16.660-08:002009-11-15T22:58:16.660-08:00>>nathan said...
>>You could also surm...>>nathan said...<br />>>You could also surmise that a liberal being someone who is tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition, would make a better artist simply because they are open to novel experiences in life which ultimately creates a deeper well of inspiration to pull from.<br /><br />(This is the first Nathan, who never got responded to.) <br /><br /> I think this guy's right on the ball.Stephanienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-59149308326844035412009-02-22T18:18:00.000-08:002009-02-22T18:18:00.000-08:00Hey! What if we reverse the question? Does it ma...Hey! What if we reverse the question? Does it make you a conservative? Deep inside most people, not just artists, are strong individuals who take responsibility for their role in the world.MacGyverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00821177045264699582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-71147287887677972462009-02-12T18:33:00.000-08:002009-02-12T18:33:00.000-08:00As a member of a project 365 website... where memb...As a member of a project 365 website... where members take a photo a day to represent a photo journal... I had put up a photo a few days ago of me cleaning a pistol. Others have had photos of themselves out hunting, or target shooting over the last few months. Well, there was some concern by other members as to why there "are all these gun photos being posted" - I counted only 7 out of over 51,000 photos total - not very many.<BR/><BR/>So, yesterday, a photo shows up of 4 guys nude in a small room, with 2 of the guys apparantly engaged in oral sex. Now, there are high school students who also have accounts on this site, which was my reason to comment that this photo be removed due to nudity. Well, so far, nobody on the site agrees with me... they like the photo. But, they dislike a photo of somebody cleaning a gun.<BR/><BR/>I feel like I'm in the minority - I've realized that the liberal point of view is very prominent among the members of the site. To be expected among artists and photographers, I suppose. Still hoping the administrators take the photo down.MacGyverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00821177045264699582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-88042243348279328992009-01-10T13:20:00.000-08:002009-01-10T13:20:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08217730684793700986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-18898854179600891782008-12-09T00:31:00.000-08:002008-12-09T00:31:00.000-08:00Sorry about the chop above. I wrote this in notepa...Sorry about the chop above. I wrote this in notepad before I posted it. Conversion didn't go so well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-64532929180106974962008-12-09T00:29:00.000-08:002008-12-09T00:29:00.000-08:00I am posting this here because it is the only seri...I am posting this here because it is the only serious article on the net I have been able to find so far dealing with the subject. I am a professional Artist, and a conservative. And from what I have read on this blog, I can see you guys may be in need of my perspective.<BR/>I have noticed a lot of argument <BR/>surrounding emotions and feelings in art being the cause of people like me being a minority. Good art, whether fine or graphic, is far more about technical expertise than emotion. Artist are observers and researchers. In fact, we only need our passion for producing art to keep us going, especially on a long or tedious project. Getting emotional about a subject <BR/>tends to limit the artist view, and our perfectionist tendencies keep us from fully realising our ideal presentation of a subject we feel emotional about. That emotion you think you see in our work is really just knowledge about the subject we're covering based on the vast amount of research we have done on it. An example: I love Indiana Jones. In college I made a movie poster based on the novel "Indiana <BR/>Jones and the Sky Pirates." I worked long and hard to get it just right. But when the time came for my portfolio to be constructed, my professor advised me not to put it in there unless I made drastic changes, changes I could not accept doing to the peice. Emotion prevented me from using that peice. <BR/>And artist are not born, they are made. They are made through training. We've pulled long, tedious, exhausting hours in primary school and college to get where we are with our art. If there is any sort of 'nature' element to the equation, we are active more in our right brain than our left brain. My <BR/>own score is about 80% right brain and 20% left. But my art was god-awful until I was trained in college. <BR/>Which brings me back to the question before us: why are most artist liberal? The reasons are various, but have not been stated yet on this website.<BR/>First, many come into art with their political views already in place. They were already liberals long before they approached the easel for the first time. Take it from an artist, learning art does <BR/>not alter your political beliefs in any way. That primarily is from early parental and environmental influences.<BR/>Second, art began to change and the turn of the 20th century. There was thought to be a need amongst young artist for new art styles for a new century, and new influences were being brought in to attempt to bring about these new styles. Among those influences were non-abrahamic religions, progressive humanism and communism. They were met with heavy resistance by the 'old guard' and as such, to this day have little <BR/>intrest in art from known conservatives. Basicaly, it's vindictive blacklisting. Art is truly at its best when its a <BR/>collaboration of several artist, and by shunning 'out of the closet' conservative artist, they essentially give them a slow <BR/>death. No publicity, no contacts for jobs, everything the artist needs to make themselves successful is stripped from them. And they can do this because they run EVERYTHING in art now. All the mueseums, <BR/>galleries, competitions, you name it, they hold all the chips and they decide what gets dealt on the table.<BR/>Third, one does not bite the hand that feeds. Many fine artist rely on grants from the state to stay afloat, especially in economies like this one. Art is considered <BR/>by most of you to be 'unessential' when the time comes to tighten the spending reigns. For a person who makes their livelyhood off <BR/>that 'unessential' service, it gives them no choice but to go to the government for welfare. When Andre Serano published his 'Piss Christ' photo at the Metropolitan, <BR/>people were furious that he used 40,000 dollars of taxpayer money to make that. My conservatives took control of congress soon afterwards and as retaliation stripped ALL visual artist of NEA funding.(National Endowment for the Arts, basically our country's welfare program for artists) With <BR/>friends like that, who would need enemies?<BR/>Well, there you have it, straight from the horses mouth. I do hope this has answered your burning questions about what must be a <BR/>perplexing matter for those of you on the outside of the art world. I'll check this post from time to time, so if you have a question, post and I will try to answer it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-35630575858762336872008-11-14T21:12:00.000-08:002008-11-14T21:12:00.000-08:00As a conservative, I will need some facts before I...As a conservative, I will need some facts before I make a comment. Specifically, who are the conservatives who are pro-racism, anti-feminism, pro-slavery, etc? Also, when you say stories are "liberal," do you mean that they like paying taxes and tip the tax man for a job well done?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-23022477903548585882008-08-11T23:09:00.000-07:002008-08-11T23:09:00.000-07:00I don't know if I agree with your views on this su...I don't know if I agree with your views on this subject. Look at the success of Batman as a comicbook, graphic novel, and movie franchise. At the core Batman is a very conservative figure. Most super heroes are. That industry makes millions of dollars each year. Just look how they are comparing the recent Batman movie to Bush's war on terror.<BR/><BR/>I don't think anyone is 100% liberal or 100% conservative in the first place. You might support one side over the other, but I'd hope that everyone is a mix of both. <BR/><BR/>The very idea of liberalism and conservatism can sometimes be flawed if you look at it in absolutes. For example, most people who call themselves liberal will say that they support all lifestyles yet liberals often support the practice of abortion which goes against the idea of the right to live, don't you think? <BR/><BR/>Abortion, based on principle, is actually a conservative viewpoint by the definition of the word. So not everything that we see as liberal is liberal by defintion and the same goes for how we view conservitism.<BR/><BR/>Fine art is a different. While most of the collectors are conservative most of the gallery owners are often liberal and they are often involved with communities that are traditionally liberal minded. An artist that shares viewpoints with the gallery owner has a better chance of being represented by that gallery. I know many artists who are more conservative than liberal who keep that information secret because of that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-66725304028022210542007-08-29T05:47:00.000-07:002007-08-29T05:47:00.000-07:00As to the way I define liberals, that can easily b...<I>As to the way I define liberals, that can easily be inferred from the liberal causes I named in the article: anti-racism, anti-slavery, pro equality and rights for women, pro rights for children, etc. Equality. Humanism.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't buy into your premise. I am a conservative and have many conservative friends, and none of us are pro-racism, pro-slavery, anti-equality or anti-rights. I'd venture to say that a minority of conservatives believe the way you think they do.<BR/><BR/>You might also be shocked to learn that some liberals I know are racist, sexist, homophobic, or all three. But I don't paint liberals with such a broad brush because of these morons. You should afford conservativism the same courtesy.<BR/><BR/>Your definition shows a lack of understanding of conservatives, which is extremely odd considering you define liberalism as "understanding both sides".<BR/><BR/>I think I agree with you that most artists are liberal, but as your premise is flawed, I don't agree with your reasons.<BR/><BR/>I asked the same question on my blog, but focused in on web development. Feel free to view it <A HREF="http://yellow5.us/journal/the_web_development_community_and_political_ideology/" REL="nofollow">here</A>.y5https://www.blogger.com/profile/07491673636020327213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-59844585065311405572007-05-25T09:21:00.000-07:002007-05-25T09:21:00.000-07:00Sorry, this is silly. Your definition of art, mos...Sorry, this is silly. Your definition of art, most likely, necessitates an artist being a liberal, a political liberal that is. Otherwise, he isn't an artist. It would be one thing to say that a quality that artists often possess is empathy, curiousity, etc. But to say that most are liberal is nearly the same as saying that most are young. Who do you include and exclude? What kind of art and what level of accomplishment? And you need to be precise about what liberal means with regard to the creative act and what liberal means in contemporary politics. You want to conflate them, I think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-17053647200457583672007-05-21T15:43:00.000-07:002007-05-21T15:43:00.000-07:00jjv, when you say "I think you overlook the fact t...jjv, when you say "I think you overlook the fact that an large number of conservatives exclude themselves from "artistic" ranks because they pursue real jobs" you're explaining why conservatives don't turn to the arts. The column, on the other hand, claims that good stories, by their nature, need a liberal to write them. And so those who write the good stories - whether they have a real job or not - are the liberals. <BR/><BR/>Secondly, the reasoning in the column comes exclusively from the nature of stories (stories are liberal). It therefore refers (as it says) only to the storytelling artists and not to poets (like Tennyson), painters and sculptors (Michaelangelo, say), or musicians (Mozart, for example). <BR/><BR/>Thirdly, of course Shakespeare was a liberal. He wrote women as human, blacks as human, hateful stereotypical Jews as human, the enemies of England as human, and evildoers as human. And he did all that when none of those things were accepted.Guy Hassonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04528759718173536747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-10741798956250325722007-05-21T14:48:00.000-07:002007-05-21T14:48:00.000-07:00I think you overlook the fact that an large number...I think you overlook the fact that an large number of conservatives exclude themselves from "artistic" ranks because they pursue real jobs.<BR/><BR/>Second, as far as the big artists today go there is a huge financial cost to being a conservative in every portion of the art world.<BR/><BR/>Third, the idea that Ol' Wil was a liberal amused me.<BR/><BR/>Finally, I think the greates artists of all time were pretty conservative fellows. Michaelangelo, Mozart and Tennyson, to name three. Plus Shakespeare I would argue.jjvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04223110296462634454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2794509057609336692.post-81135560386946293552007-05-21T04:25:00.000-07:002007-05-21T04:25:00.000-07:00"The guy who talked about Lord of the Rings. You'r..."The guy who talked about Lord of the Rings. You're totally right. It's an amazing book (read it at least 15 times) and it's clear that the author is racist. It isn't because the bad guys are ugly - that's a tool that utilizes our innate willingness to prejudge(see the first article in the blog about David E. Kelley). It's because the Hobbits only do X, while the Elves only do Y, and so forth. For now, let's put that up to the curve (had Tolkien been more understanding of human nature the story would have been even better). But later on... Your comment gave me an idea for an article about epic stories. I'll talk more about what Tolkien (and Lucas and others) really did there. So, somewhere in the near future, I'll give a better answer."<BR/><BR/>Tolkien was a philologist by training, meaning that he studied languages in their historical, cultural, and literary contexts (in fact, he was one of the leading luminaries in the field; his translation of Beowulf is still authoritative and he almost singlehandedly brought recognition to it as a piece of classic literature). LotR was written "England's lost national epic" and was styled on much of the Northern European literary epics that he made so much study of. Part of that is reflected in the races and societies of Middle Earth, which follow the collectivist honor/shame paradigm of virtually all ancient societies, where individuals identified themselves first and foremost as members of a specific group, where their life centered around the group and their actions reflected upon the group. So, culturally "Hobbits only do X, while the Elves only do Y, and so forth." A person, whether hobbit, elf, or human, would have been expected to carry on the traditions and lifestyle of the group. Yet, we do see the characters acting outside of their traditional cultural boundaries. For example, Frodo, Samwise, and the other hobbits leave the Shire, in contravention to many generations of insular culture. Gimli and Legolas form and a firm and fast friendship which would become legendary, against the prejudices of their respective peoples. And if we're talking about shared experiences, what about the universally corrupting nature of One Ring? I would say Tolkien had a pretty keen understanding of human nature to subtly portray how it could corrupt.David Marcoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11316371480133369058noreply@blogger.com